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@kionite231

The only one, that is maintained and developed is probably #Emacs-#Jabber:

https://codeberg.org/emacs-jabber/emacs-jabber

It's fun, but I don't use it, because it's missing most modern #XMPP features, such as MAM, #OMEMO, message replies, message reactions…

If I knew a little bit more of #Elisp — and had more time at hand…

@ulfi

Hi, #Debian #XMPP team member here, and very likely the person who uploaded #Dino and #Gajim indirectly to your Mint distro

I'm using both Dino and Gajim on a daily base and they are pretty stable for me. Dino always crashes after disabling an account (but how often do you do that ) and Gajim almost never crashes for me.

Note, that both #Jabber clients have debug options. Maybe you can find out, what's wrong?

@dino @gajim

@jgoerzen

I agree and I would not even say, that my preferred solutions (mainly #Jabber or other federated systems) would be more secure for the threat models Signal tries to counter.

But, of course I can't recommend Signal to my family or to my friends, because they would not be able to reach me then and would wonder why I don't eat my own cat food

However, esp. with #Quicksy (which has an Indian variant now, called #Prav), I'ld say it's equally easy to get even non-tech people on board.

@debacle

>> 1. I don't want to use Google Android or Apple iOS. There is no first class client for Linux/#Debian/#Mobian.

Build one.

>> 2. I don't want to fuel the Amazon cloud of Jeff B., but prefer services in my home "country", the #EU.

Use #OpenStack or ask an EU provider to use it.

>> 3. I don't want to use a phone number for creating an account. E.g. it makes multi-account setups hard.

>> …grey beard, but I'll stay with #Jabber

How about #Mastodon?

@jgoerzen

@jgoerzen

I'm sure, that Signal is secure (for its intended use cases) and can be trusted. But…

1. I don't want to use Google Android or Apple iOS. There is no first class client for Linux/#Debian/#Mobian.

2. I don't want to fuel the Amazon cloud of Jeff B., but prefer services in my home "country", the #EU.

3. I don't want to use a phone number for creating an account. E.g. it makes multi-account setups hard.

Call me an old-fashioned grey beard, but I'll stay with #Jabber