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𝘄𝗲𝘀𝘁𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗲Оказывается у <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Briar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Briar</a> помимо общеизвестного приложения есть ещё и четыре странных: Earth, Mercury, Venus, Mars. Все весят ~3.5 МБ примерно. Все 4 не пробовал, пока хватило одного из них - Earth. Испробовал там кажется всё, кроме установки этого скриншота креста на второй Андроид и тогда повключать снова там всякие вайфай, БТ и GPS... Почему говорю "скриншота"? Да потому, что это приложение и вело себя как скриншот, а ощущал себя в качестве дурака, включающего на девайсе разные службы и тыча в этот скриншот пальцем в надежде, что чудо всё-таки произойдёт. Но чуда на моем <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Android</a> 10 не произошло, немного поржал и удалил эти странные обои. Если кто хочет попробовать эти 4 безопасных мессенджера от "Briar Project" для <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/p2p" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#p2p</a> , <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/mesh" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mesh</a> , офлайн-чата и чего-то ещё и не смущает перспектива почувствовать себя идиотом, тыкающим пальцем в обои - милости прошу!😀 Может это просто у меня эти лыжи не поехали, но пробовать все 4 пары за раз я пока не готов) <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/programming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#programming</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/messengers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messengers</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/lang_ru" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#lang_ru</a> <a href="https://lor.sh/@ru" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ru</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ml/@rf" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@rf</a>

𝘄𝗲𝘀𝘁𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗲…А вот и инсайды от разработчика мессенджера "Мах" (ВК) с ником city124 на 4PDA подоспели, когда собираются там банить <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WhatsApp</a> и <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Telegram</a> (скрины с цитат, чтоб каждое сообщение не дёргать). Также там упоминается <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeltaChat</a> , но судя по одноимённой теме на 4PDA , речь там скорее может идти об их <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Chatmail</a> (какое-то время назад в его теме уже были жалобы, что Chatmail‘ы были недоступны или заблокированы). С нормальными е-майлами там, скорее всего, будет всё нормально, если эти самые "норм. е-майлы" не начнут бороться с зашифрованными сообщениями.Если кто считает, что у <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Matrix</a> всё шоколадно, то смотрим это, на 10 мин. 30 секунде: <a href="https://youtu.be/gT38FfOXv1E" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/gT38FfOXv1E</a>Что касается <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> Messenger, то там, мягко говоря, не совсем правда: <a href="https://u.to/eQk3Ig" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://u.to/eQk3Ig</a> (мануал в .txt, 9 kB, о том, как пройти там регистрацию и попасть в интересный чат с 20 участниками 🙂) Кстати, он там не единственный русскоязычный. <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/tech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#tech</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/messengers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messengers</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%BD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ркн</a> <a href="https://lor.sh/@ru" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ru</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ml/@rf" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@rf</a>

𝘄𝗲𝘀𝘁𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗲Интересно, где-то есть списки [b]рабочих[/b] нод для <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Tox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Tox</a> , которых нет на <a href="https://nodes.tox.chat/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://nodes.tox.chat/</a> ?Does anyone have 'non-public' bootstrapd live nodes for <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Tox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Tox</a> that non have at <a href="https://nodes.tox.chat/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://nodes.tox.chat/</a> ? <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/messengers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messengers</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/question" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#question</a> <a href="https://lor.sh/@ru" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ru</a>

🅴🆁🆄🅰 🇷🇺Open Letter to Meta: Support True Messaging Interoperability with XMPP The European Digital Markets Act (DMA) is designed to break down walled gardens and enforce messaging interoperability. As a designated gatekeeper, Meta—controlling WhatsApp and Messenger—must comply. However, its current proposal falls short, risking further entrenchment of its dominance rather than fostering genuine competition. ... Meta Has Already Used XMPP—Why Not Now? WhatsApp was built on an XMPP-based server, and Meta has previously supported XMPP in Facebook Messenger. The protocol is already battle-tested at scale. Furthermore, Meta is embracing federation for Threads with ActivityPub, proving that interoperability works when it serves Meta’s strategic interests. If Threads can federate, so can WhatsApp and Messenger. #^<a class="" href="https://xmpp.org/announcements/open-letter-meta-dma/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://xmpp.org/announcements/open-letter-meta-dma/</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.hubzilla.de/search?tag=WhatsApp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">WhatsApp</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.hubzilla.de/search?tag=XMPP" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">XMPP</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.hubzilla.de/search?tag=messengers" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">messengers</a> @<a href="https://3zi.ru/@Russia" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Russia</a>

Danie van der MerweSignal vs WhatsApp: Signal is still the most private by a long wayUsers adding an incorrect user by mistake to a group is no reflection at all on the security of any app. This happens across all apps, as the user is the issue, not the app.I had long ago deleted the WhatsApp app off my phone, mainly because of ...continuesSee <a href="https://gadgeteer.co.za/signal-vs-whatsapp-signal-is-still-the-most-private-by-a-long-way/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gadgeteer.co.za/signal-vs-whatsapp-signal-is-still-the-most-private-by-a-long-way/</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/messengers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messengers</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/metadata" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#metadata</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#privacy</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/technology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#technology</a>

xeniax ⏚Everything you knew about Delta Chat is wrong 😎 <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta</a> Thanks feld@friedcheese.us for this amazing blogpost that busts myths and stereotypes about Delta Chat:<a href="https://blog.feld.me/posts/2025/03/deltachat-is-actually-good-though/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.feld.me/posts/2025/03/deltachat-is-actually-good-though/</a><a href="https://mastodon.ml/tags/deltachat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltachat</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ml/tags/chatmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chatmail</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ml/tags/pgp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#pgp</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ml/tags/messaging" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messaging</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ml/tags/e2ee" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#e2ee</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ml/tags/messengers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messengers</a>

TorstenTherapists of the fediverse: how do you communicate safely with clients or other professionals privacy-wise? How do you organise this communication in a way so that no-one - including police - can steal it? Are you using encrypted computers and <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#email</a> or <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/messengers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messengers</a> with <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/e2e" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#e2e</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/encryption" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#encryption</a>? - If so, what messengers or method are you using?Are you storing documents in a safe? If so, where and what brand?What is feasible, what is practical?<a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#privacy</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/therapy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#therapy</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/data_protection" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#data_protection</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/encryption" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#encryption</a>

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://tilde.zone/@anelki" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@anelki</a> I do agree to some extent.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PGP</a>/MIME & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> keep the coversation contents secure, but merely encrypting messages is just 10% of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ComSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ComSec</a>! One also needs to deal with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InfoSec</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OpSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpSec</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ITsec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ITsec</a> in general...Like: If you use some garbage Android 8.1 device that never got security updates then you can use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> all day and that won't protect ya ass!Speaking of <a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@signalapp</a>, the same as with any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/eMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#eMail</a> provider or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Messenger</a> applies: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210226175949/https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">none of them will refuse to comply with a duely submitted subopena</a>, otherwise <a href="https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Mer__edith</a> would already be in prison.And Signal, like all <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/centralized" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#centralized</a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SingleVendor</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SingleProvider</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Messengers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Messengers</a> collects <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PII" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PII</a> [<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PhoneNumber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PhoneNumber</a>!] with no legitimate reason and is subject to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CloudAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CloudAct</a>, which is inherently incompatible with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GDPR</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BDSG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BDSG</a>...

Kevin Karhan :verified:<a href="https://hubzilla.monster/channel/tejan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tejan</a> the only correct way to deal with this is using proper <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/E2EE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#E2EE</a> like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PGP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#PGP</a>/MIME & anonymous eMail accounts.Providers can only <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/decrypt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#decrypt</a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/read" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#read</a> for what they have the keys!Same goes with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Messengers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Messengers</a>, which is why I only recommend <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> (i.e. <a href="https://monocles.social/@monocles" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@monocles</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/monoclesChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#monoclesChat</a> & <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@gajim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@gajim</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gajim</a> ) & PGP/MIME (i.e. <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#deltaChat</a> & <a href="https://mastodon.online/@thunderbird" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@thunderbird</a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Thunderbird" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Thunderbird</a>), because unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/proprietary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#proprietary</a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingleVendor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SingleVendor</a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SingoeProvider" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SingoeProvider</a> solutions, they offer <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfCustody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SelfCustody</a> so even if a provider is cooperative or served a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/subopena" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#subopena</a> or got theor equipment seized, they can't decrypt the contents!

Andrey DarkCat09Обычные юзеры просто не знают о существовании федеративных и p2p-сетей. Заблокировали вайбер — уходят в телеграм. Его заблокируют — пойдут во вконтакте, прости Господи, даже если он лагает в сто раз больше. Про шифрование тем более никто не думает, "нам нечего скрывать". Хочу написать страничку с простым объяснением про открытые/проприетарные протоколы, про федерацию как сложноблокируемую сеть, ибо мне недавно удалось вкратце объяснить это маме. На английском и русском. Потом коммьюнити поможет с переводом на другие языки. Есть такое уже? Или начинаю продумывать текст и картинки? <a href="https://lor.sh/@ru" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ru</a> <a href="https://mastodon.ml/@rf" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@rf</a> <a href="https://gts.dc09.ru/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#opensource</a> <a href="https://gts.dc09.ru/tags/messengers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messengers</a> <a href="https://gts.dc09.ru/tags/censorship" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#censorship</a>

StefanDoes anyone know of <a href="https://c.im/tags/FOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FOSS</a> or <a href="https://c.im/tags/OSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OSS</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#privacy</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/messengers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messengers</a> working on <a href="https://c.im/tags/Meta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Meta</a> interoperability? I am using <a href="https://c.im/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> and <a href="https://c.im/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#conversations</a> but have not been successful in converting anyone from <a href="https://c.im/tags/facebook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#facebook</a> or <a href="https://c.im/tags/whatsapp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#whatsapp</a>. Would be great if I could use a third party service without needing a Meta account to keep in touch.

FediFollows<a href="https://social.growyourown.services/tags/InstantMessaging" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InstantMessaging</a> / <a href="https://social.growyourown.services/tags/Messengers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Messengers</a> picks of the day:➡️ <a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@delta</a> - Free open source end-to-end encrypted chat app powered by email➡️ <a href="https://indieweb.social/@joinjabber" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@joinjabber</a> - Helping non-techy people sign up on XMPP/Jabber➡️ <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@xmpp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@xmpp</a> - Designs & maintains the XMPP federated open messaging standard➡️ <a href="https://fosstodon.org/@briar" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@briar</a> - E2EE P2P messaging app, works online through Tor & locally on Bluetooth➡️ <a href="https://mstdn.io/@Jami" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Jami</a> - E2EE P2P calling & messaging app➡️ <a href="https://mastodon.matrix.org/@matrix" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@matrix</a> - Federated FOSS communications platform➡️ <a href="https://mastodon.world/@signalapp" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@signalapp</a> - Centralised messaging app🧵 1/3

Avoid the Hack! :donor:<a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/Telegram" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Telegram</a> has disclosed criminal data to authorities for years, Durov saysContext: Telegram has recently changed its privacy policy to state it will share collected user information (such as phone number, IP address, etc) with law enforcement when presented with a legal order. For years prior to this change (and the arrest of Durov), Telegram has claimed it does not share data with governments/law enforcement.<a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#privacy</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/messengers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messengers</a><a href="https://therecord.media/telegram-disclosing-criminal-data-law-enforcement-durov-statement" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://therecord.media/telegram-disclosing-criminal-data-law-enforcement-durov-statement</a>

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